spoiler: what about the parents?

How can Kathleen already think about having sex with a man, when it traumatized Grace when she engaged in sexual intercourse?!

omg daren was on its on with alexa chung. it ends up the baby...IS PLAYED BY TWINS!!!!!!!!!!!!! he said it on alexa chung!

i fink dat george did lyk da rite fing in givin ashley da garage because lets face it amy is acting lyk a spoilt brat n wantng everything for herself. ashley has given up her room and her home so that amy can have ashleys old room as a nursery for her son (n btw i dont even think that she even loves john lyk a mom) n besides ashley is actin more lyk a grown up then amy. amy finks dat just because she has a son n she is a mom dat she is all grown up n thinks that she knows everything therefore she can get woteva she wants. amy needs to grow up n fink about her son n her famliy before herself. if she continues to act lyk dis den she aint gonna b a gd role model for john wen he gets older.

and as for kathleen she needs to think about the impact of marshalls death on grace and tom. if she really loved him den it would take her more then lyk just 5 months 3 days and 11 hours to get over him and start dating agen. i understand graces point. her parents were married for at least 16 years it shud take kathleen at least a year to get over him n if she was over him before dat den she should tlk to grace because obviously ders a reason for grace not wanting her mom to date n she should take dat into consideration if shes thinking about hookin up wiv dis new man. kathleen should tallk to grace n tom. she needs to be a mom before being smeones gf.

I LUV DIS SHOW ITS AWESME

Ashley totally deserves the garage. Amy has her own room and a nursery. she perfectly fine with that and plus Ashley does need to get a room to herself away from Amy. i'm not liking Amy right now. i hope she becomes a little less snotting.

Well I think giving Ashley the garage was a good idea.
It [filtered word] being out of the house and your room taken...even when you give it away, and when you come back there is no compromise for you to even have your own space. I went through that when I left for basic training for the air force. My step sister took my room, packed up all of my stuff...well packed is overstating it...they tossed everything in garbage bags, ruining a lot of things, while both of my step sisters picked through what they wanted for themselves, and when I came back home I had to sleep on the couch and put all of my belongings in one of the bathrooms. While my step sisters each had their own room. It [filtered word].
But you know amy won't want to share a room with ashley, and Amy has a lot of growing up to do. She doesn't need her own "apartment" in the garage, although neither ashley or amy have been appreciative, amy has been downright disrespectful, while ashley just says whats on her mind. Ashley wouldn't have complained about a small room, or sharing a room with amy...but amy would have therefore i think ashley deserves the garage more.

As for kathleen. There's no timeline to moving on after a spouse passes away, it can take forever to move on or it can take 2 weeks. As long as kathleen is comfortable with moving on, what can anyone else say? Grace may be upset which in understandable, she loved her father very much, but she's not the one to decide when kathleen can date someone else. Grace may never accept that her mom will date again, grace is a little stubborn and unreasonable sometimes. She's not the only one who's suffering from her father's death and her mom deserves to be happy. Judging from her father's attitude, he would want kathleen to move on...I mean come on he wanted his fineral to be a celebration, he planned it that way...do you really think he'd want his wife to be alone? I don't think he'd care how much or how little of time it took either. He loved his family and happiness is always the most important. I don't think any less of kathleen from moving on. It's not like she's forgetting her husband ever existing...she's still healing and she'll probably always still be healing...but like I said...she's comfortable with having a boyfriend/friend...and she admits when she's not ready to move forward as we saw in this episode...
we're not in her position so what can we say or do

I don't think Ashley ends up getting the garage, I think she ends up sharing with Amy, because if you watch the commercial for the next episode Amy and Ashley are talking in Amy's room and there is 2 beds in Amy's room.

Kathleen: I think if she is comfortable dating then she should go for it. She deserves to have a life, she shouldn't not date just because her husband died. But I don't think that her new boyfriend will be around that long. And they haven't had sex yet, she told him that she was ready but that wasn't the right time.

George: He did the right thing by giving Ashley the room, Amy doesn't deserve it. Ever since she had John she thinks shes an adult. There is no telling what she would do if she got the garage. Ashley seems to be well rounded, and I like her outlook on life. Plus he trusts Ashley more than Amy, and I don't blame him.

~Taylor-n-Tommy~
9-1-09
9:29 P.M.

george.

amy. okay, first off. just because amy has a baby doesn't mean she should have the bigger room. in the house she has a room (which is perfectly fine) and john has a room that's relatively close. if she moved her room to the garage, would john keep his room in the house (which would be hard to take care of him with him being in another building and all) or would he move into the garage (i can't imagine amy would even want that). plus, amy doesn't really deserve a new room. she's getting a little better but all season she's been disrespectful to everyone, pretending her parents have no authority over here because she's "an adult now", not to mention she b!tched out the school councelor and got suspended! she's done nothing to deserve a new room.

ashley. i think it's fine that ashley has the new room as long as she doesn't do anything stupid. i'm sure something will happen though and george will see and it'll look worse than what it actually is. just to make things interesting.

i think Jack & George did the right thing & Kathleen should wait just a little bit longer until Grace was completely ready & ok with her dad dying

I THINK IT TOO SOON FOR KATHLEEN TO DATE
I MEAN IT ONLY 5 MONTHS
WHAT I SHE THINKING
SHE COULD HAVE LEAST WAIT A YEAR

I think it would make more sense for Amy to have the bigger room so her and John can be together. Ashley would still have her own room and so would George and Anne's baby. Plus it would be less commotion to have just one baby instead of two in the same room.

i love ashley besides the fact she is hanging out with ricky ..lol that would be funny if she went there but any ways i am glad she is getting the room she really is a smart girl and she deserves it ...ashley watches john when she reayy dont have to ...and i am surprised how good she is being towards amy...

Okay on the whole George giving Ashley the garage as her room, I think its a good idea. If this were real life it just shows that her parents respect and trust her, giving her a place where she can unwind and be alone from all the chaos in the Juergens' home. Soon there will be another baby in the home, so that nursery will be for 2 boys, not just one. In real life, most of this wouldn't even happen no parent is ever that understanding when their 15y/o daughter winds up pregnant, and no 15y/o single mother ever has it that easy. Amy should be grateful to have the support she has from her family, friends, Ben & most importantly Ricky. So yeah it was a really good decision to give Ashley the garage as her room, considering everything that she's been through with her parents splitting up before even though now they are back together and her older sister having a baby. If it were my kids, I think I would have done the same thing and if my oldest daughter protested I'd give her 2 options.

1. Deal with it because it's my house and my rules. I've been lenient enough with her all considering and she's ONLY 16.
or
2. If you don't like my rules and you feel your an adult who calls the shots at 16 you are old enough to be emancipated, so go for it. You have it made now and you'll see what its really like out there, go find your own place and actually be a mother to your child on your OWN.

I love this show, I honestly do, but I do think it promotes the wrong vibe for young girls. I do understand the show is there to inform girls, but life's just NOT that easy for anyone. Having a child at ANY age is difficult. Now that they have the character of Heather on the show it should help teens to understand better that it is hard and not everyone has a supporting & understanding family like Amy and they sure don't have a Ben & a Ricky. Most guys at 15 all act the same as Ricky's character before Amy got pregnant they just want that one thing, they may befriend a pregnant girl, but they WON'T offer to marry her when the child isn't even theirs.

Now on the issue of Jack seeing Mrs. Bowman out with another man buying condoms, its none of his business or her children; she's a grown woman who makes all her own decisions. As far as it being too soon after her husbands death, nothing is ever too soon. It shows that she has found a way to move on, she did stay in bed for the longest time grieving over him. She realized that he wouldn't want her just sitting around, and its not like he's every coming back "he's dead." So I personally think it's good for her, Go Mrs. Bowman! Widow's have needs too, whether or not their family, friends or children understand it's her life.

Now that's just my personal opinion, so all you other fans please don't go knocking on what I said. I'm just putting it in perspective, and no I'm not some old lady I'm 20y/o with a lot of life experience. I've watched a lot of my friends go through this in high school and I've seen 1st hand what it actually does to people even my brother who's 24 and how difficult it is for him now with his 2 year old son. Sooo . . . Just be aware and be careful, this show isn't real and life isn't that simple.

I think George did the right thing in giving Ashley the garage. I mean, Ashley is the good one. She deserves a reward. And I think Kathleen has bounced back way too soon. Her husband hasn't even been dead a year.

Then to go with the next question about Kathleen, well... I think that it is her business if she wants to date and how Tom & Grace reacted is perfectly normal because there not ready for her to date but if she is ready than show to her your support even if it is by let's say well maybe not lying but be happy for her. Yes I think 5 months 3 days and 11 hours is too soon but what can you do people aren't perfect and people are people. Let people live there lives even if it is for a hot younger doctor who makes her happy again and smile even if he is Jewish. I luv this show forever and always and I don't even want the season to end but I honestly love this show.
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First off, I think Ashley should get the room in the garage because a she did move out with her dad for that short time period and it was her choice. Second, Amy should be close to John and seeing how she put him in her old room it's not really fair to Ashley and Ashley knows that that's why she didn't say "No, I want my old room you and your son can share a room." Third, Ashley has been through a lot and she should have a place of her own even though it's just the garage. Ashley is a good aunt, a good daughter, and a good sister. Even though she doesn't show her love at times to her family we all know that deep down inside the dry sense of humor she loves them and wants the best for all of them. She wouldn't do anything to hurt anyone in her family even if it was intentionally.