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I'm very curious about something religion related and have to ask... what's the big deal of getting baptized? My 2-month-old cousin is getting baptized tomorrow and there's a big party afterwards... I also remember a couple years ago when my cousin converted to Catholic (I guess [filtered word] means to be that much closer to her now-husband) and I remember she was baptized and there was a big party for her as well...

Not that I don't enjoy the good party (don't enjoy the actual baptism very much, the stuff the priests shake is stinky) I don't see how the event is so party-worthy... of course I'm not a devout Catholic either so maybe I'm not supposed to understand! Sticking out tongue

dawn4scifi's picture

I can only speak for Catholics. Some people who convert my choose to be re-baptized, but we believe Christian baptisms are acceptable.

Yes, it is a big deal. Read below but it is a celebration of welcoming the person officially into the Christian (Catholic-Christian in my case) community. Details follow, but for more go to americancatholic dot org.

Information from americancatholic dot org

Catholic view:
The ritual of Baptism does not bring God's love into being as if that love did not exist before the ceremony. Baptism is the Church's way of celebrating and enacting the embrace of God who first loved us from the moment of our conception. Baptism celebrates a family's and a community's experience of that love in the baptized.

There are other life experiences-birth, death, washing, growing and so forth-that are celebrated in Baptism. The water represents life, death, cleansing and growth, and it recalls the flood waters of Noah's day and the saving waters of the Red Sea parted by Moses. The candle symbolizes our status as an "easter people" and signifies the way that the Church "passes the torch" of Christian commitment to those being baptized. The white garment represents the Church's belief that Baptism sets us free from Original Sin.

Baptism happens not only to the individual, but also to Christ's body, the Church. That's why the rite insists that we celebrate Baptism in the Christian assembly, with the community present and actively participating. It is the community, after all, who is welcoming the new members, journeying with them, providing models for them, supporting and nourishing them. Baptism begins with God's love and care revealed to us through Christ. It continues with us, the Church, living and enacting God's love and care through Christ to the world. That's a serious commitment.

Baptism’s Biblical Roots
(by Carolyn Thomas, S.C.N.)

The practice of baptism was a common rite of initiation in many religious expressions in the ancient Mediterranean world. From the time of Jesus, Christianity also expressed through water baptism freedom from sin, union with Jesus Christ and all other baptized persons, our participation in the salvific death and resurrection of Jesus and our new life in the Spirit.

St. Paul, the first great theologian of baptism, expressed its meaning in terms of a break with the old and beginning of new life in Christ. He understood well the reality of the relationship that baptism establishes between us and God and his Son Jesus. The New Testament provides the basis and focal point for the Church’s understanding of baptism.

….Out of God’s revealed word, the Church has developed a theology of baptism that takes into account the lived experience of the Church throughout its history, its liturgical life and its theological developments.

The notion of baptism as a sacrament dates back to the early centuries of Christianity. The word "sacrament" is borrowed from the Latin, sacramentum, which in Roman times referred to an initiation rite in which soldiers promised their fidelity to their commander. In teaching Gentiles, the Church used the word sacramentum to explain the rite of Christian initiation in which the initiates would commit themselves to the service of God. When Christianity supplanted polytheism in the empire, the Roman sense was dropped, and the word was expanded to any symbol that represented one’s relationship to God.

By the fifth century, St. Augustine referred to a sacramentum as anything that was "a sign of a sacred reality." By the twelfth century, the word was restricted to the seven rituals of the Church which Catholics refer to as the seven sacraments…..

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melissa0522975's picture

interesting.. thanks for the explanation!

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dawn4scifi's picture

You are welcome. The community aspect of it is a reason everyone in the church claps and welcomes the child. (or adult) It makes me get tears. Jesus Himself allowed John the Baptist to Baptise Him.

And, smile, the insense can be pretty strong. Cough cough!

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

melissa0522975's picture

yeah, I hate that incense stuff! does that supposed to represent anything or do the preachers just like getting everyone half high on it? (not that that's possible...)

I used to believe in all your romantic dreaming
it really ain't that cute anymore
cause my time's to precious
so I wish you the best with
whatever it is you're looking for
baby this is all for your own good
I'm leaving cause I know you never would

dawn4scifi's picture

Catholics use incense during important services to symbolize the prayers of the congregation rising to heaven. One of the gifts traditionally associated with the Magi was frankincense. This aromatic resin was part of the traditional incense associated with the Old Testament Temple of Solomon. Frankincense represents the continuity of faith between the Old and New Testaments.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

melissa0522975's picture

Ah, I figured it represented something! they surprisingly didn't use it today but they used it for Jenn's baptism a couple years ago, for her and John's wedding, and then again at John's mother's funeral/memorial service...

I used to believe in all your romantic dreaming
it really ain't that cute anymore
cause my time's to precious
so I wish you the best with
whatever it is you're looking for
baby this is all for your own good
I'm leaving cause I know you never would

dawn4scifi's picture

How old is Jenn? Maybe they did not use it for the baby, so as not to make her choke. Actually, at my old church we did not use it for baby baptisms. I did not see an adult one so I cannot tell you.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

melissa0522975's picture

She's 29 now and she was about 27 at her baptism...

I used to believe in all your romantic dreaming
it really ain't that cute anymore
cause my time's to precious
so I wish you the best with
whatever it is you're looking for
baby this is all for your own good
I'm leaving cause I know you never would

dawn4scifi's picture

The age of babies may be the reason then. I never thought about it before.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

melissa0522975's picture

Must be! there were 4 babies at today's baptism, little Michael was the youngest (about 2 months) and the others were about 5-8 months... Michael was the only one that cried with the water too! it was funny.. he half-smiled with the first pour and freaked out for the 2nd and 3rd...

I used to believe in all your romantic dreaming
it really ain't that cute anymore
cause my time's to precious
so I wish you the best with
whatever it is you're looking for
baby this is all for your own good
I'm leaving cause I know you never would

__Rex__'s picture

In Eastern Orthodox Christianity this is an act that is supposed to convey grace from what I remember

melissa0522975's picture

And do all religions require a conversion if you're not originally that and a baptism or is that just Christians and Catholics and others of that variety?

I used to believe in all your romantic dreaming
it really ain't that cute anymore
cause my time's to precious
so I wish you the best with
whatever it is you're looking for
baby this is all for your own good
I'm leaving cause I know you never would