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Cappie's potential

So, I've been thinking about what Spencer Grammer said in that interview I posted. She said that Case is going to struggle internally about Cappie because he hasn't "found his way" and Case might need to pick up the slack and "take care of him" in their future. She mentioned that there are many more female breadwinners in today's society (true! I know several!), and that Case is struggling with this idea and whether or not she wants to be a breadwinner for a man without goals.

As someone who has been out of college and in the real world for a while... I have some thoughts on this.

I believe that Cappie WILL be very successful, if he can just get his bachelor's degree. (And it may take 5-6 years to get it.). Cappie is a born leader with natural charisma. In real life, I have seen many people just like Cappie rise up from what was a less-than-stellar academic background to become something great - all based on their ability to inspire, to lead, to charm, to sway, etc. I mean... he would be a GREAT sales person for starters - and in the right industry - sales people make a very good living. (Hopefully, in the real world, he won't have to use his Cougar Sack!!! LOL!)

I think Cap should major in business... maybe get his MBA some day. Armed with knowledge about how business works.... he would have even more potential. He has the ability to quickly forge great relationships & bonds...I believe he'll go FAR.. and Casey won't have to worry about bringing home the bacon - although she will obviously be successful too. I think they have potential to be a real "power couple," if Cap can just get himself pointed in the right direction. I think he'll HAVE to start thinking about all of this if he wants to keep Casey.

In Chapter 6, I do hope they address the fact that he probably won't be graduating on time. From some of the spoilers I've read, it almost sounds as if he's going to be graduating. Huh? I don't see how this is possible if he hasn't obtained enough credits in on major. I'm sure this will be addressed... I just hope that they make it realistic. In the short term, Casey would have to "take care" of Cappie until he graduates. Perhaps that is what she meant in the interview...but in the long term... I see Cappie as a very successful person.

graceblue23's picture

I think the show has very clearly demonstrated that Cappie can be motivated, that he's intelligent, and well informed, and that he's not naive about the future, but he's choosing to put it off as much as possible.

I agree his family more than likely had a major impact on this world view, though I don't think he has an unhealthy relationship with his parents at all, on the contrary I think he has the most healthy relationship that he can have. His parent's aren't responsible, but they are creative/idealists, and he accepts them for that but doesn't expect more. Cap's certainly retained the creative/idealist side of their nature, but I think he realizes that when it comes time to be responsible, you have to commit to responsibility. Since his parent's have let him down in that department, I think Cappie appreciates the importance of taking it on, and isn't eager to rush into it.

Cappie has taken his responsibility as KT president as serious as a person could take the KT presidency, and he's an excellent leader of the frat, navigating the relational aspects of it effortlessly. Now that he and Casey are back together, following a period of time of contemplation, I think he'll see another area of responsibility that he's willing to commit to. However, i don't think this will resolve itself in an easy and tidy way. No doubt if Cap decided to pursue an MBA and/or a sales career, he's be wildly successful, but that doesn't seem to fit with the philosophical side of Cappie very well. He invests in people, and to be successful in business, you have to be an objective person, and Cappie isn't objective, he's subjective to the extreme, which is why he's so accepting of many different people (Rusty/Dale, Wade/Beaver, Jeremy, Rebecca). I see him pursuing something in the realm of social science/philosophy/education. I can totally see him as a college professor at some point in his life...let's not forget about the parallels the show's pointed out and the interest Dean Bowman's taken in Cappie...or even a social worker in a non-profit, outside of a bureaucratic environment. Success can be defined in many different ways, and I think for Cappie, he'd only be happy in a relational leadership environment where he can build strong relationships, and continue being the laid back, fun-loving person that he is, but they are not necessarily high powered, or well paid positions.

Cappie isn't driven in the same way Casey is, and as Cap's matured over the years by learning to take on more responsibility, Casey is maturing by learning to accept that Cappie doesn't have to be driven in the same way she is. Spencer pointed out in that interview that both she and him are creative, problem-solvers, which is a great combination, because they approach problems from two different ways, but this difference is always going to be what creates tension in their relationship. It's the balance they are going to have to learn, as in all relationships, but not doubt it's also going to be the source of a lot of fights and frustrations. If Casey pursues a political career, I can see Cappie fitting in very well, in the role of a political operatives husband, willing to take a backseat for his wife's career, too.

In the next chapter I have little doubt that we'll see Cappie struggling with graduation. (Some schools offer a general education degree, which allows someone to graduate if they have enough credits, without having enough in a specific major). It seemed to me that with Heath, Wade, Jeremy, and Ferret leaving, and Cap's comment about loosing four best friends, the ending toll is beginning to ring. I think what will force that decision is relational changes, and this is the beginning of the KT status quo changing. That, along with his renewed relationship with Casey, and their commitment to getting it right this time, might prompt him down a course sooner rather than later.

Say goodnight, Gracie

karensand's picture

All great points! Thanks for sharing. My vision of Cappie in the corporate world stems from my own personal frame of reference.... as I'm in the business world myself. I've seen so many people rise to the top due PRIMARILY to their ability to forge relationships and rally people around an idea, campaign, etc. etc.. But you are right, he can really succeed at anything, and his ideals - which I think he's still discovering himself -- may not align with those of the for-profit, corporate world. I absolutely LOVE the "David Wong" scene. OMG. What a classic example of his ability to socialize and be an instant "hit" in ANY crowd. Cool

fn4life's picture

As Evan stated in a previous season to Casey...Cappie has sooo much potential--but Evan doesn't think he will ever want to grow up...that's when Casey was so sure of her 10 year plan...but I think Cappie has proven himself to be motivated when he wants to be...Not everyone knows what they want to do right when they get into college and there is nothing wrong with taking time to figure it out...I believe Cappie has a natural ability to lead people in general--He is the KTT president, and I know all we ever see is his planning of parties or hanging out with the guys--but I'm sure there is more responsibility to holding that position in a frat than they actually show us...I think having a family means a lot to Cap--as most of you have noticed we haven't seen his parents at all--and now that he and Case are back together I think he will want to try harder to figure out what he really wants to do in the future---I agree that he has more maturing to do, but I don't think he has to completely give up the part of him that wants to have fun(seriously, men never grow up completely anyway--ever!) . I know Casey sees the potential in him, hopefully she can convince him or he will realize that the fun doesn't have to end just because you move out into the real world and actually have to work...

cutapacka's picture

Interesting that you bring up the family because it does seem to be a part of Cappie's dynamic with the frat. I don't know if anyone has realized, but the majority of the main characters, with the exception of Ashley, have issues with their home life. Casey has never really done anything good enough compared to her brother, Evan has the Chambers name, Rebecca hates her father for being a political pig, and then we have Cappie whose relationship with his parents is somewhat skewed from our perception, the only thing we really know is that they stem from the hippie generation and gave Cappie a name that he resents. There's is just speculation, but Cappie seems to either be estranged from his family given that he never speaks about them and that they never come up in family-oriented events at school, or he's simply ashamed of them.

Either way, Cappie has used his fraternity as an outlet for family, guys he can rely and depend on, be there for him and visa versa. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he loves the idea of family and being a one woman man with the woman that he loves and that maybe it's supplementing for something he didn't have in the past. That's just my Freudian psycho-analysis, but it's definitely possible.

karensand's picture

Yeah, I guess the only main character with a really good parent-child relationship is Calvin.. which is ironic! (Oh, and Dale... although his parents are pretty wacky, but they are good parents who just need to give him some space.)

cutapacka's picture

I completely agree with you, Karen. In fact, I think it would be very cynical and underestimating of Casey to think Cappie will drag her down and leave her to take care of the real world burdens, then again, Casey has looked down upon Cap in that realm since she started dating Evan so there's no surprise.

As you said, Cappie is a born leader and potential star. No way the guy can't be smart when he's attempted over an estimated 20 different majors (unrealistic and a stretch, but who cares?). For the majority of the show thus far, we've noticed Cappie has been all about the fun and tried to avoid the words "future", "work", and "goals" and has clung to his role as a Kappa Tau brother. But there's been some subtle changes over the last few chapters. For the first time in his life, Cappie contemplated a long-sought desire of being with Casey. In season 1, Cappie would jump on Casey like a leper at a chance to be with her. After many back and forth, on and off disturbances in their reuniting, finally in chapter 4, Casey said she wanted to be with him. Here stood an open opportunity to be with the woman of his dreams, and he turns her down in fear of it not working out again. That showed he sized up the situation, debated the consequences of his actions. Chapter 1 Cappie would have grabbed her and ran off to do the dirty or whatever to celebrate, not this time.

As much as I hated that he postponed their rekindled romance yet again, this showed a growth in his character. He avoided making a rash decision, looking out for his own well-being. Another sign of development is the very slight implication of outgrowing the House. Over the last few chapters, there hasn't been an extraordinary amount of involvement with the KT's. He branched out and reformed his friendship with Evan, became a member of the Amphora society, his time isn't 100% occupied by one activity, something Casey took great notice of upon breaking up with him.

There's no doubt that Cappie has and is still changing. To say he's still the same erratic, impulsive guy from Freshmen year is insane. Getting back to the real world scenario, it's obvious because of his lack of direction in the beginning Cappie won't be able to graduate on time (please let that be true, not even the most ridiculous of short cuts in TV could make that seem possible), however, he's still going to eventually, and I personally believe he'll take the workforce by storm. It's taken him longer to mature, but so what? Some guys never grow up, and I think the Peter Pan that has defined Cappie is diminishing, and will minimize even more significantly with Casey's presence. Casey just needs to relax, no reason to doubt the man who would sell his soul to the devil to make her happy Smiling

karensand's picture

I love your analysis! Yes, Cappie is maturing and outgrowing frat life... slowly but surely.

His relationship with Dale is yet another sign of this maturity. Old Cappie (the quintessential Frat guy) would never hang out with Dale. I love their Booktacular Club! So hilarious.

I think my #1 favorite scene to date in the entire series is the scene (I believe in Season 2?), where Dale is drunk and he and Cappie are lying on the inflatable in the KT backyard. OMG... I cannot wait to re-watch that epi. I know there will be some great nuggets of dialog with hidden meaning that I didn't catch before!

I did recently re-watch the epi where Cappie and Dale first meet....when the KT's kidnap Rusty. It was pure magic! (Now that I know what happens later, I saw how the writers were setting up this relationship for us.) LOL. Their characters are 180 degrees apart from one another in every way (ideologically, academically, etc.)... which is what makes it so hilarious. And I love that they "share a common woman." LMAO!!! Big smile

cutapacka's picture

OMG I thought the same thing! During Hazed and Confused (I think that was the episode, right?), Rusty is kidnapped and Cappie makes some cute remark to Dale, or maybe he just goes "shhh", I have no idea, but all I kept thinking was "Ha! They started them off from the beginning", Cappie and Dale are definitely an anomaly of a friendship and I love every minute they spend together. Their one scene this season, however, really told the tale of how far Cappie has come. I don't know why, but the "booktacular" scene was when I had my epiphany that Cappie really has changed, maybe it was the best friend connection he seemed to have with Dale? I have no idea, I'll have to go rewatch, but their interactions definitely paint a picture of the transformation of Cappie.

karensand's picture

I also forgot to mention that Cappie is extremely intelligent and thinks on his feet.... all EXCELLENT qualities that will lead to great success.

caseyncappielove's picture

can you share the spoilers youve read?? I totally agree, he has serious potential he just needs to figure out what he wants to do...I have mixed feelings about whether he should graduate on time or not..what the heck will happen with Casey if she does and he doesnt...Honestly right now Im terrified of the idea of them breaking up since we waited so long and weve seen so little of them together...Im really wondering what will happen when graduation comes, but they can put it off for a couple more chapters if they want, in an interview for the beginning of season 3 Spencer said they can stretch it out if they dont want it to end, I really hope they do cuz theres like what, 1 semester left? aahh... Gasp

karensand's picture

there are some major spoilers here (beware)
http://www.fanforum.com/f15/greek-s-s-10-because-cappie-casey-finally-to...

For the record, I do not think Casey and Cappie will break up on Greek - we've waited too long. I just think they have some obstacles to overcome. For example.... you KNOW that Casey's parents will not approve of Cappie.

hollowmeadow's picture

Just to let you know (in case you forgot), I'm the one who brought that link over to the boards. Could you credit me or something?
And no, I'm not trying to be a b!tch. I'm just really stressed with exams and stuff. I hate this part of the year.

I look into your eyes and fall in love all over again.
Cappie & Casey <3

karensand's picture

Oh, sorry hollowmeadow... I didn't think it was a big deal. You can have all the credit you want. I don't care to take any credit for anything... just thought I'd share since several people are Jones-ing to find out what happens.

hollowmeadow's picture

Ugh, pardon my VERY RUDE friend that logged onto my account and posted that. *leaves to change password*

I look into your eyes and fall in love all over again.
Cappie & Casey <3

caseyncappielove's picture

WOW Karen THANK YOU SOOO MUCH for the spoilers!!! Heart eyes Heart eyes Big smile Big smile its just what i needed!!!!! At least I know they will be together for whats been filmed so far!!! I really hope this is not the last chapter and that they never end Smiling But If 3x16 is valentine's day...that's only 6 episodes away from the finale, so I think there's time for a 4th season? what do you think?

karensand's picture

I'm not going to guess on this board... I'll leave that for the spoiler forum to discuss. =) There are lots of comments in that forum. You should check them out.