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Rusty and Cappie's brotherhood
Posted Fri, 06/19/2009 - 20:26 — greeklawfanWhen drunk Max was telling Rusty that Casey had broken up with him and that Cappie was the reason, I got an impression that this Casey/Cappie drama might hurt Rusty's relationship with Cappie. Will Rusty blame Cappie for coming between Casey and Max and thus hurting his friend and mentor? And/or will he blame his sister for breaking Max's heart? Will Rusty think that Cappie is a hypocrite, especially after the hard time that Cappie gave him for coming between Andy and Jordan? Their relationship was already strained because of that situation, but I thought they were getting past it. Rusty told Max, "Let's forget about Cappie right now". Why? We all know that it would not really be fair for Rusty to be angry at Cap, but Rusty doesn't know the whole story. All he has is Max's version - seeing Cappie and Casey coming out of the closet. And...Cappie may be reluctant to share what actually happened that night. I really loved Cappie and Rusty's mentor/mentee relationship in the first season and I don't want that to change. Whatever happens, I know in the end their brotherhood will win out. I'm just concerned for the near future of their relationship. Any thoughts?

If i know the character Rusty right I think he will see Cappie as a hypocrite since Cappie became so mad at Rusty when he kissed a girl who had a boyfriend.. but I don't see why he should think Cappie is a hypocrite since Cappie was only mad at Rusty because he did it to a KTT brother but Cappie did it (well he didn't but Rusty thinks he did) to a guy he prolly doesn't give a [filtered word] about..
I think he may feel Cappie is a hypocrite at first but he will come around by the 2nd episode or so, having been in a similar situation and since he knows a lot about Cappie/Casey situation/history. I also think that once he talks to both Cappie and Casey he won't think of Cappie as a hypocrite, once he knows what actually happened.
The other thing to think about is how does Rusty handle the fact that Cappie more or less broke his sister's heart. I think that might be something that could come between them, at least for part of the next chapter, at least more than Rusty thinking of Cappie as a hypocrite.
I don't think that the relationship between Cappie and Rusty will be demolished i do think that Rusty will question Cappie on the incident and possibly bring up what Max said. Part of me also thinks that since Rusty and Casey's relationship is closer than previous seasons maybe Rusty will ask Casey about the whole situation, on the other hand though, because Rusty is a good guy maybe he will understand better if he knows that the decision was made because of what Casey really felt/has been feeling for a long time. Whatever happens i just don't want Rebbecca and Cappie together and i kinda wish Jordan would go away i really just cant stand her shes so annoying and plus when her and Rusty are together they just act weird i don't know just throwin my opinion out there
I'm down with the ambivalence over Jordan...it's an odd dynamic for sure.
Say goodnight, Gracie
i think it wasnt so much of rusty being upset twoard max's situation and more the whole thing just made him worried about the choices he made,i think hes mainly just afraid of of jordan leaving him cuz he risked alot just to be with her that night and alot of what he risked it for was cuz of what max had told him so now that max and casey are over hes probably just worried
i think it wasnt so much of rusty being upset twoard max's situation and more the whole thing just made him worried about the choices he made,i think hes mainly just afraid of of jordan leaving him cuz he risked alot just to be with her that night and alot of what he risked it for was cuz of what max had told him so now that max and casey are over hes probably just worried
i agree with you frose

Rusty knows the situation well and he knows just how strongly Cappie feels about Casey. He even tried to "pimp" his sister out to Cappie after winter vacation in the first season, his new nickname was gonna be "perv." All of the advice Cappie has given Rusty over the last year and a half whether it be Jen K or Jordan/Andy has been related in some way to his feelings for Casey.
Also, I don't see Max/Rusty as a stronger friendship than Rusty/Cappie. Cappie has basically taken Rusty under his wing since the day he met him during Rush. Thats more than a year, while Rusty has known Max for about the entire length of a semester(if we are going by Chapters 3 and 4 are halves of semesters).
I think a bigger problem between Rusty and Cappie will be the newly reforming friendship between Cappie and Evan. Both Rusty and Evan strongly dislike one another for obvious reasons. Rusty will probably feel betrayed by Cappie if they start to become good friends again, because Cappie knows how much Rusty dislikes Evan.
Definitely should be interesting to see the fall out from the party and events around that time.
I was just pondering what might happen with Rusty/Cappie when the Cappie/Evan thawing is revealed - I'm sure someone thought it odd that Evan would show up at the End of the World party - I think you're right that this would have stronger consequences on the Rusty/Cappie relationship than the Max thing - though I can see the Max thing being an issue between Rusty/Casey, he already wasn't too thrilled with her handling of the Cappie situation.
Say goodnight, Gracie
I'm glad someone made a post about this because during the finale Rusty looked almost hurt that something had happened between Casey and Cappie. I think there will be tension about the breakup between Rusty and Cappie because Max and Rusty were so close. But in the end Rusty and Cappie are brothers and Rusty will get the full story.
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I think it will since we haven't really seen that much between Cappie and Rusty recently its all too focused on Cappie and Casey. I think Rusty possibly feels a bigger bond with Max because they are similar and Cappie always feeling likie the victim is wrong. I think Rusty will stick up for Max because the way Casey treated Max is how other people also deal with Rusty.
I don't see where Rusty's bond with Max is bigger, than with Cappie, it's just different. They both represent the two sides to Rusty, similar to how Cappie and Evan always represented the two sides to Casey. Rusty and Cappie's relationship is about what Rusty wants to experience; Max and Rusty's relationship is about the intellectual ambitious side of Rusty. Both Casey and Rusty have this desire within them to be social and carefree but accomplished as well, and Cappie's a good counterpoint to that. I wouldn't characterize Cappie's jealousy over Max as victimization. We know Cappie is still not over Casey, represented in his breakup with Rebecca and his confrontation over Casey's friendship. To see this same person taking away Rusty's affection (or at least the perception thereof) would naturally bring up those same emotions. Cappie stepped aside for Max and Casey's relationship in the end (and yes, he did it partially out of self protection), so I'm not sure why Rusty needs to stick up for Max in anyway? Casey did the right thing by Max, regardless of how much it hurt, she realized she's still in love with Cappie, and she owed Max honesty.
Say goodnight, Gracie
I suppose, even more drama for Cappie/Rusty we'll see because of Cappie nad Evan being friends again, don't you think? If it's going about Max- I think Casey will take the responsibility for entire situation and will defence Cappie.
I think this will have an impact on the Rusty/Cappie relationship, in that it’s an opportunity to grow it. I too love the big/little brother relationship that Cappie and Rusty have, but as Rusty matures and adjusts to Greek life, and college life, it’s inevitable that it changes. I think the one thing that would be sad to see leave it is Rusty’s respect for Cappie, and Cappie’s affection for Rusty.
I think something that is always important to Rusty is the concept of fairness, and I think aside from the social aspects of Cappie’s character, what has drawn Rusty to Cappie and the KT’s is the sincerity of who they are. The situation with Max/Casey/Cappie may challenge Rusty’s perception of that, however, Rusty’s own experience of falling for someone who’s with someone else, might provide Rusty with an understanding that could further their bond. And, it’s not like Rusty doesn’t know Cappie’s feelings for Casey, and the confliction Cappie feels about her, too. Also, I imagine any injustice thrown Cappie’s way by Rusty would be tempered by Casey clarifying the reasons for her breakup with Max, because it wasn’t entirely about Cappie, he just played catalyst.
The more I think about this, the more I see a real opportunity to strengthen the bond these two have with each other. Rusty and Cappie are one of the core relationships on the show that is also related to Cappie and Casey, so I don’t think they would do anything overly dramatic to jeopardize that, since the thesis of the show is about the family you form in college.
Also, while there was some tension between Cappie and Rusty after the Jordan and Andy fallout, they were close enough for Rusty to recognize Cappie’s transference of emotion. Cappie also respected Rusty enough to own that truth, prompting Cappie to confront Evan with that truth. So, I don’t think that this is really a wedge between the two characters anymore. I saw it as a vehicle for growth, or perhaps a reflection of the real friendship between Cappie and Rusty.
Finally, I’d say that Max’s relationship with Rusty has already started complicating the relationship between Rusty and Cappie. I think it brought Cappie down to a closer playing field with Max, because it made Rusty realize that he’s important to Cappie, and not just in the general Cappie’s full of love sort of way either, in a more personal one on one relationship. But, Max does represent the other side of Rusty, the serious, studious, scientist, and I suspect the bigger issue for Rusty in the following year is making choices between the fun-loving KT life and that of the serious field of study he’s in. This may complicate his relationship with Cappie more than the Max/Casey/Cappie fall out.
I might just be overly optimistic, because it could go in the opposite direction. But I believe that even if it does veer off course for a while, they’ll reconnect in a satisfying way. I think they only thing that would do a disservice to this relationship is if the drama becomes too heightened and clouded with misunderstanding, because both Rusty and Cappie are truth-sayers, so I don’t see that as being realistic to their characters.
Say goodnight, Gracie