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OT: Podkido, I feel so betrayed

The idiot House passed this fiasco bill. Pelosi PROMISED thee days for us all to review it. What a blatant liar!

dawn4scifi's picture

How could the president NOT go to the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall Fall!?!!! Instead of being there extolling this great symbol of FREEDOM he is here bragging about this health care fiasco!

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

podkido's picture

I suppose he felt pressuring The House was more important.

dawn4scifi's picture

Pfft.

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podkido's picture

Sticking out tongue

podkido's picture

WASHINGTON – The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."

The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.
If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

"The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.
Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.
Nonetheless, the House vote provided an important lesson in how to succeed with less-than-perfect party unity, and one that Senate Democrats may be able to adapt. House Democrats overcame their own divisions and broke an impasse that threatened the bill after liberals grudgingly accepted tougher restrictions on abortion funding, as abortion opponents demanded.

In Senate, the stumbling block is the idea of the government competing with private insurers. Liberals may have to swallow hard and accept a deal without a public plan in order to keep the legislation alive. As in the House, the compromise appears to be to the right of the political spectrum.

Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine, who voted for a version of the Senate bill in committee, has given the Democrats a possible way out. She's proposing to allow a government plan as a last resort, if after a few years premiums keep escalating and local health insurance markets remain in the grip of a few big companies. This is the "trigger" option.

That approach appeals to moderates such as Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La. "If the private market fails to reform, there would be a fallback position," Landrieu said last week. "It should be triggered by choice and affordability, not by political whim."

Lieberman said he opposes the public plan because it could become a huge and costly entitlement program. "I believe the debt can break America and send us into a recession that's worse than the one we're fighting our way out of today," he said.

For now, Reid is trying to find the votes for a different approach: a government plan that states could opt out of.

The Senate is not likely to jump ahead this week on health care. Reid will keep meeting with senators to see if he can work out a political formula that will give him not only the 60 votes needed to begin debate, but the 60 needed to shut off discussion and bring the bill to a final vote.
Toward the end of the week, the Congressional Budget Office may report back with a costs and coverage estimate on Reid's bill, which he assembled from legislation passed by the Finance Committee and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. The Finance Committee version does not include a government plan.

Reid has pledged to Obama that he will get the bill done by the end of the year and remains committed to doing that, according to a Senate leadership aide.

Both the House and Senate bills gradually would extend coverage to nearly all Americans by providing government subsidies to help pay premiums. The measures would bar insurers' practices such as charging more to those in poor health or denying them coverage altogether.

All Americans would be required to carry health insurance, either through an employer, a government plan or by purchasing it on their own.

To keep down costs, the government subsidies and consumer protections don't take effect until 2013. During the three-year transition, both bills would provide $5 billion in federal dollars to help get coverage for people with medical problems who are turned down by private insurers.

Both House and Senate would expand significantly the federal-state Medicaid health program for low-income people.

The majority of people with employer-provided health insurance would not see changes. The main beneficiaries would be some 30 million people who have no coverage at work or have to buy it on their own. The legislation would create a federally regulated marketplace where they could shop for coverage.
The are several major differences between the bills.

_The House would require employers to provide coverage; the Senate does not.

_The House would pay for the coverage expansion by raising taxes on upper-income earners; the Senate uses a variety of taxes and fees, including a levy on high-cost insurance plans.

_The House plan costs about $1.2 trillion over 10 years; the Senate version is under $900 billion.

By defusing the abortion issue — at least for now — the House may have helped the long-term prospects for the bill. Catholic bishops also eager to expand society's safety net may yet endorse the final legislation. ~ Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

dawn4scifi's picture

They need to stop saying this is "FOR the American People." It was done TO the American People more accurately.

Still, we have hope with the Senate. This is so depressing. Although, I feel that in 2010 those idiots will be voted out of Congress. They are just too arrogantly blind to actually hear what the people want. Ah well.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

podkido's picture

Healthcare reform is a great goal. But if it requires more taxes I oppose it.
Make the changes that create a good competitive health insurance system.
Get the litigators off the health care providers backs.
Don't give the federal government another program to suck the taxpayers dry.

dawn4scifi's picture

Litigators are a big problem. And, I am with you SMALLER GOVERNMENT is better and leave the people alone. I want them to keep their noses out of our lives. I heard in the bill, is a place where representatives can come to peoples' homes to tell them how to raise their children.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

podkido's picture

That child rearing interpretation is extreme but it could easily be used in that manner.

dawn4scifi's picture

True.

Next topic: Did you watch V? Watch it when you get a chance. There are subtle things in there that seem as if they are trying to show discontent about what is going on in our country. I do not want to discuss what I noticed until you watch it, but I found it interesting. I am surprised though that Hollywood would actually put something out that shows things like Universal Healthcare, Change, in the negative light that many of us are seeing.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

podkido's picture

Rep. Pelosi likened this to Social Security and Medicare. Both are financial failures. Now we're 1.2 trillion dollars more in debt. We are going to go out with a whimper. God help us.

podkido's picture

I feared this would happen. It feels like a kick in the gut.

dawn4scifi's picture

And they had to HURRY this through? Why unless it is to pull stuff over on us? If one drives a car too fast, one is likely to crash and burn. If one eats too fast, one can puke.

Oh, and that speach!!–This if FOR the American People BS. No it is FOR the Congress and Done To the American People.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝

dawn4scifi's picture

One positive thing, if I heard it correctly. I am running around doing stuff and have an ear out. The abortion is NOT included. Is that right!?

And, I feel so sick for our country. I have been to Europe a few times, and do not like to see us being taken over by a socialist regime. Please God, let 2010 come FAST. I just hope we still have a right to vote by that time.

And the poor kids. They are in debt, before they even start working. Poor teens.

✝ Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all these things will be given unto you...✝